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gibbz, on , said:
That was posted on October 3.
Westlake Classic was on October 4.
Orem was missing two of their top 6 at the Westlake Classic, which would have moved them up with Davis and Lone Peak.
As for meets that had actually happened before that post was made?
-Westlake finished third at their Pre-Regional meet (82/79:09) while Herriman was fifth (108/79:51)
-Westlake finished fifth at BYU (138/86:35.8), with Desert Hills placing third (125/86:15.2) and Mountain View seventh (166/87:04.7).
-Westlake would have won the combined-flight race at Wasatch Rendezvous over Mountain View 35-63, but timewise it was closer at 82:28.3 to 82:40.1
So yes, aside from Desert Hills at BYU, Westlake had beaten all those teams. But the margin was never huge, and team results don't point out everything about the level of performance the individual athletes from those teams have shown over the multiple weeks of racing.
But this is all beside the point, because since that post, the Westlake Classic happened where Westlake ran their best race yet. That moved them up a group.
RunningPrince, on , said:
Already posted the ratings on the Utah forum.
Looking at the Pat Amato Invite (CO) right now... looks like Laramie WY did almost exactly what I outlined above. If their #1/2 runners were as fast as they could be, then that's going to move them up in the next update!
EDIT: Looks like Laramie's top duo (and normal #3/4) weren't as fast as they have been, unfortunately, but it is an improvement for their #5 (Freeman).
Pat Amato CO Ratings estimate (200.0 ~ 14:37)
Boys =
1 - Jonah Henry, Sr - 15:37.7 - Laramie High School - 179.3
2 - Chris Henry, So - 15:40.9 - Laramie High School - 178.2
3 - Shane Rhodes, Jr - 15:49.5 - Cherry Creek HS - 175.3
4 - Ethan Gonzales, Sr - 15:50.7 - Broomfield High School - 174.9
5 - Connor Lockwood, Sr - 15:54.6 - Arvada West High School - 173.6
6 - Jake Lucero, Sr - 15:58.7 - Douglas County - 172.1
7 - Daniel Book, Jr - 15:59.6 - Cherry Creek HS - 171.8
8 - Keaton Schelir, So - 16:00.4 - Fossil Ridge - 171.6
9 - Sean Paiz, Jr - 16:03.9 - Thornton High School - 170.4
10 - Satchel Caldwell, Jr - 16:04.9 - Boulder HS - 170.0
1 - Jonah Henry, Sr - 15:37.7 - Laramie High School - 179.3
2 - Chris Henry, So - 15:40.9 - Laramie High School - 178.2
20 - Jacob Morgan, So - 16:17.5 - Laramie High School - 165.7
32 - Jonathon Freeman, Jr - 16:37.2 - Laramie High School - 159.0
34 - Heath Geil-Haggerty, Jr - 16:38.3 - Laramie High School - 158.6
53 - Kevin Baldwin, Sr - 17:01.7 - Laramie High School - 150.6
116 - Calder Kempema, Sr - 17:59.7 - Laramie High School - 130.8
cerutty fan, on , said:
Ha! Fair enough!
Had West Virginia not been blown out 37-0 by #25 Maryland the week before, their narrow margin of victory over previously unbeaten Oklahoma State would likely have been enough to rank them ahead of the Cowboys.
I don't think you're crazy for agreeing with 44 out of 60 pollsters, but I do think you are crazy for following college football
Though maybe my opinion will change in the next few weeks, this week I would have voted the same - maybe all 45 of us would be crazy, but we'd still be in the majority. Just goes to show that I'm certainly not the only rankster who would place a team that to this point has seemed to be better ahead of a team that beat them when they met on the field.
Sometimes, the teams that seem to be better are going to lose, or teams that win might not have been the best to date this season. That happens, especially in cross country when there are dozens of teams on the field at the same time, and especially team scores are determined not only by the athletes and single competing teams, but the entirety of the field they are competing against. Team scores in a cross country meet are a representation of how well a team does on that day, on that course, against that field. The distinction of whether Team A is better than Team B is more complex than that, especially since we have more than one meet to judge teams with.
Note: I'm not saying the difference between Oklahoma State and West Virginia in college football this year is the same as the difference between, say, Brea Olinda and Canyon (Anaheim) boys cross country, it was just the first scenario that came to my mind.
1. I really do appreciate the lists you've put together! It's fun to check out the teams.
2. I think it's crazy to put more weight into your algorithm than the reality of head-to-head competitions that have taken place.